From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:06:55 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: Re: time for a good laugh again Message-ID: Drpsionic@aol.com writes >Let's hear it for Charnchai Puanmuangpak, the NEW 1998 undisputed >Darwin Awards recipient! LOUD CHEERS! APPLAUSE FOR THE RUNNERS UP! Alan --------- THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 09:41:18 +0900 From: "D. Porter" Subject: theosophistry Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980901094118.007fa2d0@ozemail.com.au> this night has opened my eyes From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:33:18 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: time for a good laugh again Message-ID: <370141d6.35e82d4e@aol.com>> in the hope that this list shall rise from the dead, I offer this little bit of news. Chuck the Heretic The 1998 Darwin Awards They have finally been released! For those not familiar with the Darwin Award - It's an annual [dis]honor given to the person who did the universal human gene pool the biggest service by getting killed in the most extraordinarily stupid way. As always, competition this year has been keen again. Some candidates appear to have trained their whole lives for this event. The Darwin Awards Nominees: 1. In September in Detroit, a 41-year-old man got stuck and drowned in two feet of water after squeezing headfirst through an 18-inch-wide sewer grate to retrieve his car keys. 2. In October, a 49-year-old San Francisco stockbroker, who "totally zoned when he ran," according to his wife, accidentally jogged off a 200-foot-high cliff on his daily run. 3. Buxton, NC: A man died on a beach when an 8-foot-deep hole he had dug into the sand caved in as he sat inside it. Beachgoers said Daniel Jones, 21, dug the hole for fun, or protection from the wind, and had been sitting in a beach chair at the bottom Thursday afternoon when it collapsed, burying him beneath 5 feet of sand. People on the beach, on the outer banks, used their hands and shovels, trying to claw their way to Jones, a resident of Woodbridge, VA, but could not reach him. It took rescue workers using heavy equipment almost an hour to free him while about 200 people looked on. Jones was pronounced dead at a hospital. 4. In February, Santiago Alvarado, 24, was killed in Lompoc, CA, as he fell face-first through the ceiling of a bicycle shop he was burglarizing. Death was caused when the long flashlight he had placed in his mouth (to keep his hands free) rammed into the base of his skull as he hit the floor. 5. According to police in Dahlonega, GA, ROTC cadet Nick Berrena, 20, was stabbed to death in January by fellow cadet Jeffrey Hoffman, 23, who was trying to prove that a knife could not penetrate the flak vest Berrena was wearing. 6. Sylvester Briddell, Jr., 26, was killed in February in Selbyville, Del., as he won a bet with friends who said he would not put a revolver loaded with four bullets into his mouth and pull the trigger. 7. In February, according to police in Windsor, Ont., Daniel Kolta, 27, and Randy Taylor, 33, died in a head-on collision, thus earning a tie in the game of chicken they were playing with their snowmobiles. 8. In September, a 7-year-old boy fell off a 100-foot-high bluff near Ozark, Ark., after he lost his grip swinging on a cross that marked the spot where another person had fallen to his death in 1990. 9. AUGUSTA, ME - Four people were injured in a string of bizarre accidents. Sherry Moeller was admitted with a head wound caused by flying masonry, Tim Vegas was diagnosed with a mild case of whiplash and contusions on his chest, arms and face, Bryan Corcoran suffered torn gum tissue, and Pamela Klesick's first two fingers of her right hand had been bitten off. Moeller had just dropped her husband off for his first day of work and, in addition to a good-bye kiss, she flashed her breasts at him. "I'm still not sure why I did it," she said later. "I was really close to the car, so I didn't think anyone would see. Besides, it couldn't have been for more than two seconds." However, cab driver Vegas did see, and lost control of his cab, running over the curb and into the corner of the Johnson Medical Building. Inside, Klesick, a dental technician, was cleaning Corcoran's teeth. The crash of the cab against the building made her jump, tearing Corcoran's gums with a cleaning pick. In shock, he bit down, severing two fingers from Klesick's hand. Moeller's wound was caused by a falling piece of the medical building. 10. TAOS, NM - A woman went to a poison control center after eating three birth-control vaginal inserts. Her English was so bad she had to draw a picture describing how she believed she had poisoned herself. A translator arrived shortly thereafter and confirmed doctors' suspicions. Marie Valishnokov thought the inserts were some kind of candy or gum, being unable to read the foil wrappers. After the third one, she realized something was wrong when her throat and mouth began to fill with sour-tasting foam. She ran for the Poison Control Center, only a few blocks away where doctors were able to flush the foam from her mouth, throat, and stomach with no ill effects. 11. TACOMA, WA - Kerry Bingham, had been drinking with several friends when one of them said they knew a person who had bungee-jumped from the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in the middle of traffic. The conversation grew more heated and at least 10 men trooped along the walkway of the bridge at 4:30 a.m. Upon arrival at the midpoint of the bridge they discovered that no one had brought bungee rope. Bingham, who had continued drinking, volunteered and pointed out that a coil of cable had been left near the railing. One end was tied to Bingham's leg and the other end was tied to the bridge. His fall lasted 40 feet before the cable tightened and tore his foot off at the ankle. He miraculously survived his fall into the icy river water and was rescued by two nearby fishermen. "All I can say,"said Bingham, "is that God was watching out for me on that night. There's just no other explanation for it." Bingham's foot was never located. 12. On February 3, 1990, a Renton, Washington man tried to commit a robbery. This was probably his first attempt, as suggested by the fact that he had no previous record of violent crime, and by his terminally stupid choices as listed below: 1. The target was H&J Leather & Firearms, a gun shop; 2. The shop was full of customers, in a state where a substantial portion of the adult population is licensed to carry concealed handguns in public places; 3. To enter the shop, he had to step around a marked Police patrol car parked at the front door; 4. An officer in uniform was standing next to the counter, having coffee before reporting to duty. Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a hold-up and fired a few wild shots. The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, removing him from the gene pool. Several other customers also drew their guns, but didn't fire. No one else was hurt. 13. In France, Jacques LeFevrier left nothing to chance when he decided to commit suicide. He stood at the top of a cliff and tied a noose around his neck. He tied the other end of the rope to a large rock. He drank some poison and set fire to his clothes. He even tried to shoot himself at the last moment. He jumped and fired the pistol. The bullet missed him completely and cut through the rope above him. Free of the threat of changing, he plunged into the sea. The sudden dunking extinguished the flames and made him vomit the poison. He was dragged out of the water by a kind fisherman and was taken to hospital, where he died - of hypothermia. DARWIN AWARD HONOURABLE MENTIONS (1) In Guthrie, Okla., in October, Jason Heck tried to kill a millipede with a shot from his .22-caliber rifle, but the bullet ricocheted off a rock near the hole and hit pal Antonio Martinez in the head, fracturing his skull. 2) In Elyria, Ohio, in October, Martyn Eskins, attempting to clean out cobwebs in his basement, declined to use a broom in favor of a propane torch and caused a fire that burned the first and second floors of his house. (3) Paul Stiller, 47, was hospitalized in Andover Township, NJ, in September, and his wife Bonnie was also injured, by a quarter-stick of dynamite that blew up in their car. While driving around at 2 AM, the bored couple lit the dynamite and tried to toss it out the window to see what would happen, but they apparently failed to notice that the window was closed. (4) Taking "Amateur Night" Too Far: In Betulia, Colombia, an annual festival in November includes five days of amateur bullfighting. This year, no bull was killed, but dozens of matadors were injured, including one gored in the head and one Bobbittized. Said one participant, "It's just one bull against [a town of] a thousand Morons." AND THE WINNER IS.... Japan Times-April 16, 1997 "The government must crack down on this disgusting craze of 'Pumping'", a spokesman for the Nakhon Ratchasima hospital told reporters. "If this perversion catches on, it will destroy the cream of Thailand's manhood. " He was speaking after the remains of 13 year-old Charnchai Puanmuangpak had been rushed into the hospital's emergency room. "Most 'Pumpers' use a standard bicycle pump," he explained, "inserting the nozzle far up their rectum, giving them a rush of air, creating a momentary high. This act is a sin against God." Charnchai took it further still. He started using a two-cylinder foot pump, but even that wasn't exciting enough for him, and he boasted to friends that he was going to try the compressed air hose at a nearby gasoline station. They dared him to do it so, under cover of darkness, he snuck in. Not realizing how powerful the machine was, he inserted the tube deep into his rectum, and placed a coin in the slot. As a result, he died virtually instantly, but passers-by are still in shock. One woman thought she was watching a twilight fireworks display, and started clapping. "We still haven't located all of him", say the police authorities. "When that quantity of air interacted with the gas in his system, he nearly exploded. It was like an atom bomb went off or something." "Pumping is the devil's pastime, and we must all say no to Satan," Ratchasima concluded. "Inflate your tires by all means, but then hide your bicycle pump where it cannot tempt you." Let's hear it for Charnchai Puanmuangpak, the NEW 1998 undisputed Darwin Awards recipient! From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:15:11 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Encounter with entities Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980826231511.011bbbb0@mail.eden.com> Here is an interesting post from Krishnamurti maillist. Any feedback? mkr After an initial reading, the writings of Krishnamurti seem straightforward. He advocates "choiceless awareness," and says that this may result in a quiet mind, allowing Reality to enter. He isn't specific about what this Reality is, which is probably for the best ("the Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao"). However, I would like to discuss lesser "realities" - the bathwater that comes with the baby, so to speak. I would like advice on how to deal with these in a manner consistent with Krishnamurti's teaching. I realize that the following will appear bizarre, if not psychotic; I can only ask that you assume the truth of what I relate for purposes of discussion. Last September, I became involved with a group that follows the teachings of George Gurdjieff. Their meditation practice involved "sitting" for half an hour and sensing parts of the body one by one. By November, I was experiencing an inflow of energy - which is one of the aims of the practice. However, later that month, and well into February of this year, I began to experience invisible hands and arms touching me, gently guiding my movements, working on me (injecting some kind of material into my head; spreading a granular material on my back and legs), and caressing me. I thought these entities were helpers of some kind. However, just before Christmas, *some* of the hands began to sexually manipulate me. And after that, they became generally mischievous, if not obnoxious. I've left this Gurdjieff group and have decided that simple awareness without specific techniques might be better for me. There is more to tell, but I'd like to leave it there for now and move on to my questions. (I'd be happy to go into more detail by private email.) I remember K saying that techniques will produce their own results, and I suppose it's possible that the technique I used generated or summoned the entities I describe, but didn't K himself deal with intelligent, non-physical individuals? Wasn't that a feature of his "process"? I also remember reading that K casually remarked to a friend as they sat in a garden that he could see a "fairy" dancing nearby. Finally, I have read that K told intimates that sometimes "evil" can be present, that it tends to come when mentioned, and that in such an event the area has to be "cleansed." As I practice awareness, along with centering prayer (a form of contemplative prayer), I continue to feel occasional touches, as well as the presence of some kind of entity (for instance, sitting on my bed or a yoga mat, I can feel it walking around, depressing the surface as it moves). Now, I'm not at all interested in a relationship with these entities. Neither do I wish to obsess about them. I realize that they are a distraction. But should I simply maintain awareness of them? My sense is that, when I give them attention, they know it and become more aggressive. This is a dilemma for me, because if I withhold attention, I'm maintaining resistance to "what is." In the interest of full disclosure, I should tell you that I've seen three psychiatrists since mid-January. The first one told me that my experiences were hypnotically induced. The second one, a Moslem, told me after 4 sessions that he didn't think I was schizophrenic or otherwise psychotic because I evidenced no thought disorder and suggested I see a Catholic priest for exorcism. The third has diagnosed me with schizoaffective disorder. My guess is that the cause of my experiences is not psychosis, although I have continued psychiatric treatment to "cover my bets." So what can you all suggest? What does one do when "what is" is bizarre, and one's spiritual practice has opened one to other realities? Tim Mulligan From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:23:02 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Encounter with entities Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980826232302.00b64210@mail.eden.com> Here is a followup on the the subject from K list. Mulligan, Tim wrote: > > I sleep well, after I get to sleep. (Some nights the entities seem to want > to play; other nights they don't.) As for my "imagination," it's hardly > unmanageable. It's what I'm not imagining that hard to manage. Am I > managing to make myself clear? I went through a period like that when I was at Portland State University, a ft student, pt working, & pt studying with THE CHURCH OF DIVINE MAN there, learning to control my over-abundant intuition. That would be around 1882-83. I remember the added concentrations upon the psychic levels had that affect on me, where I would be trying to fall asleep, & instead went into heavy paralysis, simultaneous to my mind spinning akin into a vortex, & "coming to" in a dream place; but it looked the same, only there WAS a malevolent spirit there & I was helpless to move my body. Got to the point where I was frightened to go to sleep, it did! Once, during a finals week, I was resting in the afternoon, & the spinning vortex phenomena beset me; but this time there were spirits all around my bed, & they were toying with me, lifting *my* spirit out of my body & putting it back down again. Oh yes, my REAL body was again paralyzed. I could look down & see this, but I couldn't see them, just feel their pressure where they held me. Awhile later down the road, I was literally raped by an evil spirit, who was pretending to be my boyfriend at the time (who was gone). I swear the spirits can & do feel as real as flesh & blood; whether it is a mind trick, or they can come & go - I know not which. Henceforth, & in conclusion, I - for one - believe you! You need to do conscious exercises to rid yourself of them (unless you like them, in which case maybe you should make friends!). sincerely, v *aka valerie C* From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:25:34 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Encounter with entities Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980826232534.00b99de0@mail.eden.com> Here is another followup: > >vc: Got to the point where I was frightened to go to sleep, it did! > >merv: Madaam, > > I suspect that what you were doing as directed by the Church of the Divine > Man was opening you up to this. > > The malevolent spirit had you under control and that is why you could not > move. v: actually, I've read of certain phases of sleep in the REM (Rapid Eye Movement) levels where paralysis is a normal symptom every night, it's just being aware of it that's unusual. vc:I > > swear the spirits can & do feel as real as flesh & blood; whether it is > > a mind trick, or they can come & go - I know not which. > > Henceforth, & in conclusion, I - for one - believe you! You need to > > do conscious exercises to rid yourself of them (unless you like them, in > > which case maybe you should make friends!). > > sincerely, > >merv: Awareness will get rid of them......and we should went to be rid of them. > > There is a large appeal to pride that invites them to enter. It needs > looking at. vc: well - didn't fluff out my pride! Being strongly grounded & centered in your body & visualizing white light surrounding one's self is a good protection from whatever disincarnate being or thoughtforms might enter. I stopped with the heavy concentration exercises with the CHURCH OF DIVINE MANS within this period because I was genuinely frightened! These realities cannot be disputed once one encounters them! And - being too afraid to go to sleep is NOT *fun*! Besides, this was all about 15 years ago now! I prefer to not inter-mingle with dross discarnate energy drains,and somehow I grew into THAT reality, keeping my own *personal power* about me at all times! - From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:31:50 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Encounter with Entities Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980826233150.013aaec0@mail.eden.com> One more feedback from K Lists tim: ...As I practice awareness, along with centering prayer (a form of contemplative prayer), I continue to feel occasional touches, as well as the presence of some kind of entity (for instance, sitting on my bed or a yoga mat, I can feel it walking around, depressing the surface as it moves). Now, I'm not at all interested in a relationship with these entities. Neither do I wish to obsess about them. I realize that they are a distraction. But should I simply maintain awareness of them? My sense is that, when I give them attention, they know it and become more aggressive. This is a dilemma for me, because if I withhold attention, I'm maintaining resistance to "what is." From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:35:57 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Encounter with entities Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980826233557.00b67100@mail.eden.com> While I personally have not had any encounter with anything on the unseen side of the world, I thought the experience described was interesting. I posted them so that we can get some feedback on what anyone else knows about these kinds of things and can speculate. Years ago I heard of an instance when someone tried to do some meditation and chanting exercises and ended up hallucinating that snakes are slithering around him all the time and the man was terrified. Finally he went to a "holy" man in India who gave him an antidote practice which put an end to it. mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:11:13 EDT From: Cybercmh@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1614 Message-ID: > In a message dated 8/23/98 8:42:23 PM, you wrote: <> Just thought I would share that I've had great luck with Amazon.com. They have provided superior customer service, rushing books to me as soon as they are available, sometimes within days, and sending confirming e-mail. They also have sent me thank-you gifts just for ordering (a mouse pad in one case, a refrigerator magnet in another). You can also find reviews of books you're thinking about buying, as well as lists of similar books you might like. I don't think anything will replace the physical bookstore if you want to browse, see what's on sale, etc., or buy something quick on your way home - but for harder-to-find books, I think Amazon is your best bet. Smaller or used bookstores can also carry books that the big superstores don't waste their time on - older books, for example, or more obscure ones. So it all depends on your needs. Christine Hanson From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:16:30 EDT From: Cybercmh@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1615 Message-ID: <904a2748.35e5ccae@aol.com>> In a message dated 8/24/98 9:09:39 PM, Chuck wrote: <> [But Our Man Bill has been up to his shenanigans for a while now; it didn't start just this year.] CMH From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:43:27 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1614 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980827184327.00a8d960@mail.eden.com> At 05:19 PM 8/27/1998 -0400, you wrote: > >In a message dated 8/23/98 8:42:23 PM, you wrote: > ><it in stock. It will take 6 to 8 weeks to special order. Visited two Barnes >and Noble book stores with no luck. Then visited the Barnes & Noble >website. Bingo.>> > >Just thought I would share that I've had great luck with Amazon.com. They >have provided superior customer service, rushing books to me as soon as they >are available, sometimes within days, and sending confirming e-mail. They >also have sent me thank-you gifts just for ordering (a mouse pad in one case, >a refrigerator magnet in another). You can also find reviews of books you're >thinking about buying, as well as lists of similar books you might like. I >don't think anything will replace the physical bookstore if you want to >browse, see what's on sale, etc., or buy something quick on your way home - >but for harder-to-find books, I think Amazon is your best bet. Smaller or >used bookstores can also carry books that the big superstores don't waste >their time on - older books, for example, or more obscure ones. So it all >depends on your needs. >Christine Hanson Glad to know amazon.com is giving excellent service. I used B&N because they had the book in stock and could ship immediately. B&N did send me a e-mail as soon as I placed the order as well as when it was shipped. So one can expect a high level of customer service from everyone doing business on Internet. mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:13:42 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: 1/3 of Adults in the USA on online Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980825231342.0088d9a0@mail.eden.com> Here is some interesting info in today's news. Presents a great opportunity to present theosophy. Is anyone interested and awake? mkr America's online: 70.5 million adults More than a third of adults in the USA are online. That means 70.5 million (34.9%) of the 202 million U.S. adults use the Internet, says a survey by Nielsen Media Research and CommerceNet, out Tuesday. Almost 80 million in the USA and Canada are online, up 21 million in nine months. From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:43:46 -0400 From: jim meier Subject: re: Doss' comments on AAB criticism Message-ID: <199808260544_MC2-5764-A435@compuserve.com> Doss wrote, >Anyone interested in theosophy should read this article, which is a >masterful analysis by Weeks. (clip) Anyone with an open mind >will be very much helped by the article. >mkr Do you really think so? I found it an opinion piece, trying to make an intellectual argument against something which requires intuition for validation. Jim From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:03:57 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: re: Doss' comments on AAB criticism Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980826080357.01a0fba0@mail.eden.com> At 05:52 AM 8/26/1998 -0400, you wrote: > >Doss wrote, > >>Anyone interested in theosophy should read this article, which is a >>masterful analysis by Weeks. (clip) Anyone with an open mind >>will be very much helped by the article. >>mkr > >Do you really think so? I found it an opinion piece, trying to make an >intellectual argument against something which requires intuition for >validation. > >Jim Dear Jim: I would leave it to the reader to read it and come to their own conclusion, what ever that may be. I also agree that intuition should play an important part in any of these matters. ..mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:12:16 -0700 From: Graye/Caldwell Subject: The Spiritual Tourist by Mick Brown Message-ID: <35E425D0.951@azstarnet.com> A new book is out, or an updated edition, that may be of some interest to Theosophists. The Spiritual Tourist by Mick Brown I'm told this book has a long chapter that tries to make sense of the complex Theosophical story. "The atmosphere of the book is completely different from that of Peter Washington." I'm also informed that Mick Brown quotes from my critique K. PAUL JOHNSON'S HOUSE OF CARDS. This will be interesting. The book is available in September. See Amazon.com at the following URL: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1582340013/002-3067191-0518237 Daniel Caldwell From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:52:19 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: An update on Internet Users Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980826205219.0088d5c0@mail.eden.com> the rate of increase of users of Internet is very interesting. mkr =============================== As reported in an AP report: "Women over 50 among fastest-growing Internet groups" "Once the domain of the young and technically inclined, the Internet increasingly is taking root with a wide cross-section of Americans." "Among the fastest-growing groups online were blacks and Indians, as well as young adults 16-24 and women over 50. The study showed an increase of 50 percent in the number of American women over 50 using the Internet during the nine months ending in June, accounting for nearly 5 million users. The numbers of men under 50 using the Internet grew almost half as fast during the same period. .the study estimated that 70.2 million Americans over 16 use the Internet. That represents 35 percent of adult Americans... And for the first time, the report said, the majority of Americans between 16-24 are using the Internet -- about 18.8 million of them, including 70 percent of men in that age group and 51 percent of women. "I'm still pretty new to it," confessed Diane Park, a social worker near Seattle and an Internet neophyte who logs on from her local library." But a closer look at the figures showed the largest gains in Internet use among some minorities: Asian adults were especially active online, with the highest rates of all racial groups: 58 percent of Asian men and 38 percent of Asian women. Among blacks, the report estimated 24 percent use the Internet, an increase of 53 percent from nine months earlier. The report estimated that 868,000 American Indians were online, or 24 percent, an increase of 70 percent over nine months. Last month, a report from the Commerce Department showed that whites are more than twice as likely to own a home computer as blacks or Hispanics, and that a racial disparity in PC ownership exists even among families earning more than $75,000. From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:57:07 EDT From: ZZZLEEPER@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1615 Message-ID: mkr, I patronize mom&pops when the expense-to-me difference is marginal. And if I can engage the proprietor in discussion leading to fresh ideas and unknown-to- me material, I'm happy to pay him for his time within the scope of a somewhat higher price for the book(s). Julien From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:14:49 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1615 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980825131449.009ae6f0@mail.eden.com> At 08:00 AM 8/25/1998 -0400, you wrote: >mkr, > >I patronize mom&pops when the expense-to-me difference is marginal. And if I >can engage the proprietor in discussion leading to fresh ideas and unknown-to- >me material, I'm happy to pay him for his time within the scope of a somewhat >higher price for the book(s). > >Julien > Julien: I agree with you, except that there are no mom and pop book stores in my neighborhood. In my business, I mostly deal with mom & pop operations and they are run most efficiently and are able to share information normall unavailable anywhere else. As more and more chains are taking over business, it is going to be very difficult for these small operations to be profitable. ..mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:38:23 EDT From: ZZZLEEPER@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1614 Message-ID: mkr, I have had similar successes with B & N, Amazon and other big operations. However, I am also beginning to experience similar success stories with SMALL, brave, cyberoperators who are interested in searching out the out-of-prints. Perhaps THAT is where the mom-and-pop entrepreneurs should focus during these times. Julien From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:02:04 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1614 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980824070204.01621840@mail.eden.com> At 07:42 AM 8/24/1998 -0400, you wrote: >mkr, > >I have had similar successes with B & N, Amazon and other big operations. >However, I am also beginning to experience similar success stories with SMALL, >brave, cyberoperators who are interested in searching out the out-of-prints. >Perhaps THAT is where the mom-and-pop entrepreneurs should focus during these >times. > >Julien Julien: There will always be market niches that mom&pop operations can be very effective because they could be far more efficient that large scale operators. It would be interesting to see how the market develops. mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:25:39 EDT From: Cybercmh@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1610 Message-ID: <75e59a0a.35e177e4@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/98 8:49:29 PM, you wrote: <> Are you joking? From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:27:33 EDT From: Cybercmh@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1610 Message-ID: <864368a.35e17856@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/98 8:49:29 PM, you wrote: <> I guess I'm not convinced that a 16-year-old girl would necessarily share that level of cynicism. CMH From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:28:35 EDT From: Cybercmh@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1610 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/19/98 8:49:29 PM, you wrote: <> Just don't let these guys anywhere near Viagra! Holy terrors. CMH From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:38:03 EDT From: Cybercmh@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1611 Message-ID: <586dfc8f.35e17acc@aol.com> In a message dated 8/20/98 8:27:37 PM, Alan wrote: <> Apt, very apt. I think we could use the text of Bill's recent speech as a draft for our request to the Queen to please take us back. Something like, "Mistakes were made. We gave a false impression, we were wrong, and we wish to put it right." Think it will fly? I'm worried she may not want us back in our present condition, though... CMH From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:40:20 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1610 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-08-24 10:37:33 EDT, you write: << I guess I'm not convinced that a 16-year-old girl would necessarily share that level of cynicism. CMH >> A: You obviously know relatively few 16 years olds. B: Chelsey is 20 and has been in college for a couple of years. Chuck the Heretic From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:56:28 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Selling/Ordering Books round the clock Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980822225628.009ae730@mail.eden.com> Books are being sold in the old fashioned way -- by books store where you can browse and sometimes have a cup of coffee as well. Small books stores are replaced by large chains. Another phenomenon is the cyberselling of books. Here is an interesting experience. When I urgently needed a book, I looked up amazon.com and they did not have it in stock. It will take 6 to 8 weeks to special order. Visited two Barnes and Noble book stores with no luck. Then visited the Barnes & Noble website. Bingo. They had it in stock and can ship immediately and with 20% discount as well plus shipping charges. All it took was to enter my name and address and provide credit card information. Within a short time a confirmation e-mail was received. Was also informed that a e-mail would be sent as soon as shipping takes place. In 24 hours I got another e-mail confirming that it has been shipped by USPS priority mail. If traditional books stores operating on 9-5 office hours are run out of business, is there any wonder. Larger outfits and those on cyberspace are able to provide better pricing and better service and in this free market, the natural result will be lack of business and ultimately resulting in disappearance of the small books stores. For many of us operating on round the clock, (I am writing this letter on a Saturday at 11.00pm) the cyberspace ordering of publications and other material comes in very handy and that is where the business is going to go to. Thought I should share this phenomenon. ..mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:54:05 +0200 From: wichm@xs4all.nl Subject: Japan's underwater pyramid? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980823175405.0088d2a0@xs4all.nl> You might like to have a look at the 8000 year old Japanese undersea stone structures at http://www.lauralee.com/japan.htm Michael Rogge From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:12:23 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: High Speed Internet Access Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980823181223.01148220@mail.eden.com> Today I got a first hand feel for high speed Internet access. With a 10Mbps Ethernet access, I was able to down load a 15MB file in less than 3 minutes. For example the entire 2 volume SD can be downloaded in less than 2 minutes. This is possible not in any high tech large corporation. This is possible now for students in colleges. Access possible from libraries, dining areas, departments, and dorms at no extra cost to the student. The access is provided as part of the facilities provided to the students. I think this gives a taste of things to come within the reach of every man, woman and child. The point that is of importance to theosophists is that all the classics will be immediately accessible at *almost* *no* *cost* (other than one's time) and everyone interested can benefit from theosophy classics. On the other hand, some of the classics are already available on the web. But some theosophical organizations are still wedded to print media. How long it is going to take for them to understand the possible shrinking *market* for printed media which can be sold where as info on the net is free for most part. Information access due to Internet and the growth of e-mail as a medium of communication is showing an astounding growth with no end in sight. Anyone either unwilling to see it or blind to the possibilities inherent is likely to be in for a shock of their lives, soon. mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:53:22 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: Books Message-ID: <0pYYyVAytK41Ewom@nellie2.demon.co.uk> Dear listmembers, Books: Five titles on offer: 1. A Compendious Syriac Dictionary, founded upon the Thesaurus Syriacus of R. Payne Smith, D.D., edited by J. Payne Smith (Mrs. Margoliouth. 1985 reprint of the 1903 edition. Serta script with Estrangela headings. As new, original price, £70.00 2. Three volumes of the WOODBROOKE STUDIES: Christian Documents in Syriac, Arabic, and Garshuni Edited and translated with a critical apparatus by A. Mingana Volume 2. Cambridge, W. Heffer, 1928 1. Timothy's Apology for Christianity 2. The Lament of the Virgin 3. The Martyrdom of Pilate Syriac facsimile and printed text(s) in Estr. script. with English translation Volume 3. as above1931 1. Vison of Theophilus 2. Apocalypse of Peter Text as Vol. 2. Volume 5. as above 1932 Commentary of Theodore of Mopsuestia on the Nicene Creed Text reprinted from original Mss in Serta script, with Eng. trans. Insert describing details of Vols. 1 to 7. These latter three are extremely scarce, and vol. 2 is ex libris Lewisham Public Library, circa 1976 .... Pencilled prices of approx £18 per volume probably fall far short of their present value. I also have two vols by Tregellis on the Greek N.T. which must be incredibly scarce. Condition not marvellous, but unparalleled for their critical acumen and detail re variant readings and recensions. I am not offering these immediately, as I am rather attached to them! However, should they excite you and you feel rich ..... Offers invited! Alan --------- THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:48:52 -0700 From: Caldwell/Graye Subject: Critique of Alice Bailey and Her Claims Message-ID: <35E0B874.31EE@azstarnet.com> Interested readers may want to peruse the following critique of Alice Bailey and her claims: Theosophy's Shadow by Nicholas Weeks Originally published in the magazine FOHAT, this revised and expanded version can be found on the WWW at: http://www.azstarnet.com/~blafoun/baileyal.htm If any reader wants to do a formal reply/rebuttal, we will be happy to post it on the same website. From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:26:58 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: Critique of Alice Bailey and Her Claims Message-ID: <35E0C161.675CA6BE@eden.com> Anyone interested in theosophy should read this article, which is a masterful analysis by Weeks. I quickly read it and glad that I am reminded again what was it that HPB and her Teachers were to achieve with the presentation of Theosophy to the world of today. Anyone with an open mind will be very much helped by the article. mkr Caldwell/Graye wrote: > Interested readers may want to peruse the following critique of Alice > Bailey and her claims: > Theosophy's Shadow by Nicholas Weeks > > Originally published in the magazine FOHAT, this revised and expanded > version can be found on the WWW at: > http://www.azstarnet.com/~blafoun/baileyal.htm > > If any reader wants to do a formal reply/rebuttal, we will be happy to > post it on the same website. From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:06:23 -0700 From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1612 Message-ID: <002601bdcdfb$cb33d8e0$03e78ccc@nwc.net> Two little boys posed disciplinary problems their parents could not handle. The mother, at her wits end spoke of this to her neighbors, and heard that a local preacher was reputed to be very good at solving that kind of problem. The father agreed to try, and accordingly they took their sons to the preacher. He said he would try, but desired to speak to the children separately, starting with the youngest who was 8 years old. The parents left him there and took their 11 year old back home. The preacher sat the child down in front of him and asked "Son, where is God ?" The boy looked at him, pressed his lips together and said nothing. A few moments passed and the preacher leaning forward, said a little more forcefully: "Son, I asked you: "Where is GOD ?" Again silence, but the child drew back with alarm, and look very startled. The preacher waited five minutes in silence, and then leaned forward again and with great emphasis said: "WHERE IS GOD ?" Thoroughly alarmed the child jumped out of the chair and ran home. Getting there, he ran upstairs and hid in a closet. His older brother saw that and ran after him In there he asked what had happened. The 8 year old said: "We are in serious trouble. God is missing, and they say we have something to do with it." Enjoy ! Dal. >From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" >Subject: Re: God wants to know >Message-ID: > >Drpsionic@aol.com writes >>Do you have any additional comments or suggestions for improving >>the >>quality of God's services? (Attach an additional sheet if necessary): > >We find that one sheet, with hood, is sufficient, thank you. > >PS. please send more guns. > >Klu Klux Klan From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:48:12 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: NB Message-ID: <$2kq1GA8i131EwB1@nellie2.demon.co.uk> Simply Occult (4) has been posted to TI-L and the website below. Alan --------- THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:58:04 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: Re: God wants to know Message-ID: Drpsionic@aol.com writes >Do you have any additional comments or suggestions for improving >the >quality of God's services? (Attach an additional sheet if necessary): We find that one sheet, with hood, is sufficient, thank you. PS. please send more guns. Klu Klux Klan From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:10:01 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1609 Message-ID: Cybercmh@aol.com writes >Maybe the Queen'll take us back if we tell her >that whole Revolutionary War thing was just a little mistake... >:) > >Christine Hanson Dear Christine, Glad you had LOL! Add "In Territorial America" and it could be LOLITA! Alas, it is too late for me to put in a personal plug for rejoining the club. Believe it or not (it's true) one of my cousins married one of the Queen's equerries. He is now "Sir John" and she is "Lady Richards." We do not have any contact - no surprise there. They used to live in St. James' palace until they got old and retired. Comical, but has its parallels with the American dream - her mother (my aunt) was, as a girl, a full-fledged, common-as-muck cockney from London's East End. Come to think of it, so was my own mother - and hers. Funny world. Alan :0) --------- THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:38:54 -0400 From: Bart Lidofsky Subject: Re: As Above so below and vice versa and Sex Message-ID: <35DB7E2E.9B090C58@sprynet.com> M K Ramadoss wrote: > For example, the matter regarding Leadbeater and currently regarding > Clinton. (BTW, no traditional Theosophist will generally talk about CWL > matter). In that case, I have yet to meet a traditional Theosophist. Bart Lidofsky From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:17:19 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: God wants to know Message-ID: Got this from another mailing list. Have fun. Chuck the Heretic God would like to thank you for your belief and patronage. In order to better serve your needs, He asks that you take a few moments to answer the following questions. Please keep in mind that your responses will be kept completely confidential, and that you need not disclose your name or address unless you prefer a direct response to comments or suggestions. 1. How did you find out about God? __ Newspaper __ Other Book __ Television __ Divine Inspiration __ Word of mouth __ Near Death Experience __ Tabloid __ Burning Shrubbery __ Bible __ Torah __ Other(specify): ____________________________ 2. Which model God did you acquire? __ Yaweh __ Father, Son & Holy Ghost Triplet __ Jehova __ Jesus __ Alah __ Satan __ God __ G-d __ None of the above, I was taken in by a false god 3. Did your God come to you undamaged, with all parts in good working order and with no obvious breakage or missing attributes? __ Yes __ No If no, please describe the problems you initially encountered here: ___________________________________________________ 4. What factors were relevant in your decision to acquire a god? Please check all that apply. __ Indoctrinated by parents __ Indoctrinated by society __ Needed a reason to live __ Needed focus in who to despise __ Imaginary friend grew up __ Hate to think for myself __ Fear of death __ Wanted to meet girls/boys __ Wanted to piss off parents __ Needed a day away from work __ Desperate need for certainty __ Like Organ Music __ Need to feel Morally Superior __ My shrubbery caught fire and told me to do it 5. Have you ever worshipped a God before? __ Yes __ No If Yes, which false god were you fooled by? Please check all that apply. __ Odin __ Cthulhu __ Zeus __ The Almighty Dollar __ Apollo __ Left Wing Liberalism __ Ra __ Barney T.B.P.D. __ The great Spirit __ The Great Pumpkin __ The Sun __ Ronald Reagan __ The Moon __ A burning cabbage __ The Bomb __ Other: ________________ 6. Are you currently using any other source of inspiration in addition to God? Please check all that apply. __ Tarot __ Lottery __ Astrology __ Television __ Fortune cookies __ Ann Landers __ Psychic Friends Network __ Dianetics __ Palmistry __ Playboy and/or Playgirl __ Self-help books __ Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll __ Biorythms __ Newt Gingrich __ Tea Leaves __ ESP __ Mantras __ Jimmy Swaggert __ Crystals __ Human Sacrifice __ Pyramids __ Wandering around a desert __ Insurance policies __ Burning Shrubbery __ Barney T.B.P.D. __ Other: ______________________ __ Barney Fife __ None 7. God employs a limited degree of Divine Intervention to preserve the balanced level of felt presence and blind faith. Which would you prefer (circle one)? a. More Divine Intervention b. Less Divine Intervention c. Current level of Divine Intervention is just right d. Don't know...what's Divine Intervention? 8. God also attempts to maintain a balanced level of disasters and miracles. Please rate on a scale of 1 - 5 his handling of the following (1=unsatisfactory, 5=excellent): a. Disasters flood 1 2 3 4 5 famine 1 2 3 4 5 earthquake 1 2 3 4 5 war 1 2 3 4 5 pestilence 1 2 3 4 5 plague 1 2 3 4 5 SPAM 1 2 3 4 5 AOL 1 2 3 4 5 "The Postman" 1 2 3 4 5 b. Miracles rescues 1 2 3 4 5 spontaneous remissions 1 2 3 4 5 stars hovering over towns 1 2 3 4 5 crying statues 1 2 3 4 5 water changing to wine 1 2 3 4 5 walking on water (not the Hudson) 1 2 3 4 5 talking flaming shrubbery 1 2 3 4 5 VCRs that set their own clocks 1 2 3 4 5 Saddam Hussein still alive 1 2 3 4 5 Cubs winning the Series 1 2 3 4 5 Clinton's re-election 1 2 3 4 5 9. Do you have any additional comments or suggestions for improving the quality of God's services? (Attach an additional sheet if necessary): From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:43:08 EDT From: Cybercmh@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1609 Message-ID: <641f549d.35db1cbd@aol.com> In a message dated 8/18/98 10:10:01 PM, you wrote: <> Thanks for the chuckle, Alan from UK! LOL! Here in Washington DC, we say, "Ours is the worst system - except for all the others." If Clinton doesn't get his pants back on, real soon and for good, we might just take you up on your offer and give the Queen a ring. (Although I daresay the future King may well have the same problem??) Maybe the Queen'll take us back if we tell her that whole Revolutionary War thing was just a little mistake... :) Christine Hanson From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:43:39 EDT From: Cybercmh@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1609 Message-ID: <6e56f01d.35db1cdc@aol.com> In a message dated 8/18/98 10:10:01 PM, Chuck wrote: < In a message dated 8/18/98 10:10:01 PM, Uncle Chuckie wrote: <> Just call me stupid! CMH From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:58:34 EDT From: Cybercmh@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1609 Message-ID: <197a3923.35db205c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/18/98 10:10:01 PM, Uncle Chuckie wrote: <> P.S. What does being a virgin or not have to do with whether your father having an affair bothers you? If one is not a virgin, does that mean that any kind of cheating or lying behavior is therefore OK, or that one's father breaking his marriage vows and betraying one's mother is no big deal? I don't think so. CMH From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:10:36 +0400 From: "K. Zaitzev" Subject: Masters online Message-ID: <199808192110.BAA12945@idg.chph.ras.ru> Hi Estrella! E> Do you think we could comunicate with the masters by e-mail?? :p I think they easily could, but suppose some of them would reply your message in this list. Will anyone believe that it's a real answer from masters? I suspect, no. People put even the snailmail letters under question though those could be explored by the experts more profoundly than emails. From the other hand, from mahatma letters follow that in their Tibet there's always lack of paper, ink and other things like that, so it would be similarly with an Internet access, especially under chinese occupation. It would be interesting to investigate another questions - can we use computers for receiving messages from disembodied spirits? For instance a medium can charge the keyboard by his eheric substance enabling for a spirit an easy access to PC. It wouldn't be more difficult for a spirit than use of conventional tablets, blackboards and devices like that but will increase CPS rate and provide messages in a convenient ASCII format. If this idea will work, mahatmas also can use this method. With best wishes, Konstantin (still embodied). @ home: ziatz@chat.ru http://www.chat.ru/~ziatz From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:00:04 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: As Above so below and vice versa and Sex Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980819180004.00883d00@mail.eden.com> In the real world, any event which has a basis on sex -- illegal or consensual, attracts a lot of attention. For example, the matter regarding Leadbeater and currently regarding Clinton. (BTW, no traditional Theosophist will generally talk about CWL matter). This being the case, does sex also attract a lot of attention in higher worlds? Any thoughts, speculation or first hand experience/observation. mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:18:22 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1609 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-08-19 14:47:55 EDT, you write: >< >Male or female? Just wonderin'. >Christine > > > Female, of course. Chuck the Heretic From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:23:18 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1609 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-08-19 15:02:54 EDT, you write: >P.S. What does being a virgin or not have to do with whether your father >having an affair bothers you? If one is not a virgin, does that mean that >any >kind of cheating or lying behavior is therefore OK, or that one's father >breaking his marriage vows and betraying one's mother is no big deal? I >don't >think so. > >CMH Believe me, in the culture they are coming out of, the political one, affairs are not so much unusual as normative. It would be surprising if it were considered a big deal. Henry Kissinger did not call power the ultimate aphrodisiac for nothing. The only people that are being cheated and lied to are the voters, and that is no big deal in that world at all. Chuck the Heretic From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:28:43 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: As Above so below and vice versa and Sex Message-ID: In a message dated 98-08-19 19:16:51 EDT, you write: >This being the case, does sex also attract a lot of attention in higher >worlds? > > Oh, I sincerely hope so! Chuck the Heretic From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:58:51 +0900 From: "D. Porter" Subject: Clintons Sax Problem Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980819115851.007ccc90@ozemail.com.au> Chuckmeister El Heretico tapped these keys: >And the rest of us are just drooling with anticipation. > >Actually, considering Bill's age and work load, if the stories are true he is >an inspiration to all of us in middle age who want to lust with more than just >our hearts. > >Chuck the Heretic I think Bills problem is probably pretty much the same as JFK's. They are (or were) consuming enough amphetamines a day to get them through the job, but a side effect is that they're as horny as hell. Has everybody seen Primary Colours? If the film is anything to go by, Hillary gets off on the power trip and lets Bills infidelities slide because he's such a schmoozer. Darren From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:59:23 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: Drpsionic@aol.com writes >> Chuck become stuck in a helmet? >> >> > >No, but he has been wondering the same thing. > >Did everyone just sort of disappear onto other lists? It seems that many might be getting worried about someone's little black dress ... maybe not Monica's? (I know it's not yours). Alan :0) --------- THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:44:05 +0000 From: Estrella Subject: Hi again :) Message-ID: <35D8EA74.B7655D4B@usa.net> --------------924FAC8CEA8F937CE0AB95BC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, i'm just using this netscape comunicator version. it's been a long time since i did'nt used it. in fact, this is my first time i send a comunicator version letter to you. This thing had to be very lonely these days, because Alan says: > >Where have all the people gone? > > > >Is everyone on vacation? > > > Well, could be. > >Have we done something wrong? > > > >Is God interfering? > > > >Has Doss fallen asleep? Chuck become stuck in a helmet? > > > Haaa,hahahaha.... dunno, hehehehe....by the way, where could be possibly Thoa?? Do you think she's angry because i said that i was going to write her and haven't done it?? > >Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle > > > >Alan > Well, this is Alan wondering. Now let's see what Doss says: > Don't you all know it is a big day in Washington DC tomorrow? > > Everyone is expecting to learn about all the salacious details from Clinton > who is going to tell the truth in all its graphic details so that all > families with children will turn off TV and don't even open up the newspapers. > > mkr > Well, that's Doss version. In Mexico we care more about the ilicit fortune of Carlos Salinas (The expresident) and Raul Salinas (the expresident's brother) that of the quantity of forbidden romances of both of them. Who cares!! Now let's see what Dallas says: > I wonder if you no longer receive theos-talk ? > > As far as I am concerned I > am back on line with both the computer and my body fixed up again. I was > ill with pneumonia and the computer crashed twice. > As far as I am concerned also, my mail system was just fixed, i desuscribe to theos-talk (Hoping that i can get the rithm someday) and ALSO was struck with pneumonia two months ago. just recovered and ready to go to the beach!! Have fun friends!! Estrella :-) P.S. Oh, just remembered that this is a theosophic list: "the" subject for today: Do you think we could comunicate with the masters by e-mail?? :p heehehehee --------------924FAC8CEA8F937CE0AB95BC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, i'm just using this netscape comunicator version. it's been a long time since i did'nt used it. in fact, this is my first time i send a comunicator version letter to you.
 This thing had to be very lonely these days, because Alan says: 
>Where have all the people gone?
>
>Is everyone on vacation?
>
Well, could be. 
>Have we done something wrong?
>
>Is God interfering?
>
>Has Doss fallen asleep?  Chuck become stuck in a helmet?
>
Haaa,hahahaha.... dunno, hehehehe....by the way, where could be possibly Thoa?? Do you think she's angry because i said that i was going to
write her and haven't done it?? 
>Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle 
>
>Alan
Well, this is Alan wondering. Now let's see what  Doss says:
  
Don't you all know it is a big day in Washington DC tomorrow?

Everyone is expecting to learn about all the salacious details from Clinton
who is going to tell the truth in all its graphic details so that all
families with children will turn off TV and don't even open up the newspapers.
  
mkr
Well, that's Doss version. In Mexico we care more about the ilicit fortune of
Carlos Salinas  (The expresident) and Raul Salinas (the expresident's brother)  that of the quantity of forbidden
romances of both of them. Who cares!!

Now let's see what Dallas says:
  

I wonder if you no longer receive theos-talk ?
As far as I am concerned I
am back on line with both the computer and my body fixed up again.  I was
ill with pneumonia and the computer crashed twice.

As far as I am concerned also, my mail system was just fixed, i desuscribe
to theos-talk (Hoping that  i can get the rithm someday) and ALSO was
struck with pneumonia two months ago. just recovered and ready to go
to the beach!!

Have fun friends!!

Estrella   :-)

P.S. Oh, just remembered that this is a theosophic list:
"the" subject for today:

Do you think we could comunicate with the masters by e-mail??  :p
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   --------------924FAC8CEA8F937CE0AB95BC-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:53:18 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: Bill Message-ID: Drpsionic@aol.com writes >Actually, Bill being the type of person he is, he might very well have and >pulled it off. Painful! Alan --------- THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:51:47 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1607 Message-ID: W. Dallas TenBroeck writes >August 17th 1998 > >Dear Alan: > >I wonder if you no longer receive theos-talk ? I signed off after my anguish was used as a "case" for study, insinuation of bad motives, and totally insensitive treatment of the pain I was going through. I am still on theos-l and ti-l. You will see some items headed "Simply Occult" - these are also archived under the DIRECTORY link on the website. > As far as I am concerned I >am back on line with both the computer and my body fixed up again. I was >ill with pneumonia and the computer crashed twice. You write like there was some connection :-). Glad you are both well again! > >How are you ? So-so. Send Big Bucks. :-) > Best wishes, Alan --------- THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:57:26 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: Uncle Bill Message-ID: Dear America, I saw and was impressed by Bill Clinton's address to his nation. I agree with what he said - especially about the constant intrusion into peoples' private lives. He's a clever man - so clever it's about time to dump him. Apart from tonight's valiant attempt, he has always come across to me as a wimp, with someone else pulling the strings. Bring back the guy with the beard and the top hat, I say! Maybe not - he started a civil war. An approach to our Queen might be kindly received ..... Alan Brought to you from West Cornwall, UK From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:12:33 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-08-17 21:48:37 EDT, you write: >It seems that many might be getting worried about someone's little black >dress ... maybe not Monica's? (I know it's not yours). > >Alan :0) I WANT AN INTERN!!!! Chuck the Heretic From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:18:53 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Uncle Bill Message-ID: <11580de1.35d90ebe@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-17 23:16:04 EDT, you write: > He's a clever man - so clever it's about time to dump him. He will probably leave office in a couple years, most likely at noon on January 20, 2001. Chuck the Heretic From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:37:01 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: e-mail Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980818073701.009df310@mail.eden.com> In a report on Pitney Bowes which has lion's share of the postage meter business, here is an interesting observation: "Already, 90 percent of our clients say they get more E-mail than hard copy," said James W. Lundy, a research director of the Gartner Group, a research organization in Connecticut. "Traditional mail and metering are under attack, and Pitney had better figure out where it fits in the electronic mail equation." >From what I have seen, most of the organizations led by older people (who may think they are very wise because of their age and experience) with archaeic ideas, are still deeply very much in love with pen and paper and snailmail for reasons known only to them, and perhaps the fear of the computer and speed of electronic medium. Of course, they are creating good Karma by feeding those employed in Post Office and postage meter companies, while at the same time creating bad Karma in the unnecessary destruction of trees. Looks like things *will* change only when the present generation who grew up in the computer/Internet age takes charge of the leadership. mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:00:51 EDT From: Cybercmh@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1608 Message-ID: <1974f5c6.35d98915@aol.com> In a message dated 8/17/98 8:03:37 PM, Chuck wrote: <> Everyone except Hillary and Chelsea... CMH From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:43:49 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1608 Message-ID: <67013ca.35d9bd5a@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-18 10:13:11 EDT, you write: >Everyone except Hillary and Chelsea... >CMH They probably would have laughed harder than anyone else, unless one is stupid enough to think that Hilary hasn't had a few affairs on the side and Chelsea is still a virgin. Uncle Chuckie From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:53:49 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Bill Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980818125349.00889b70@mail.eden.com> Excerpts: In a front-page cartoon in the staid French daily Le Monde, a weeping Clinton apologizes to the Statue of Liberty, his hand reassuringly gripping her shoulder. "Take your hand off me!" Liberty snaps back. Italy's best-selling daily Corriere della Sera carried a cartoon showing Clinton holding up his hand but looking down his trousers as he said: "I swear on everything I hold most dear." Italy's center-left La Repubblica showed a naked Clinton clasping his stars-and-stripes boxer shorts, captioned in English: "Starr and strip forever." Corriere said the real tragedy was the confrontation between Clinton and his true self, between the President of the United States and the boy who never knew his father. Britain's Sun tabloid said in an editorial that Clinton had demeaned his high office. "Maybe it is unrealistic to expect politicians to act like angels. They are human beings like the rest of us after all. One affair, maybe two, might be excusable. But Bill Clinton is a serial philanderer," it said. "A world that has no respect for the leader of America, has no fear of America either," The Sun said. The French provincial daily Midi Libre focused its anger on the American media and its justice system. "The obscenity of the media-judicial circus is far more disturbing than a presidential womaniser's lack of sexual control," a Midi Libre editorial said. "Clinton is certainly not virtuous, but in offering this 'official lie' he has more tragically betrayed his own family than the American people," it said. The Swedish tabloid Aftonbladet questioned whether the United States could now "wash away the stain" of Monday's "absurd spectacle." "(This is) a country where a dual morality, hypocrisy and nonsense have been allowed to dominate politics and the mass media for years, and this don't make it look so reliable as a world policeman," the tabloid said. "Clinton's careful confession yesterday and his apology probably means he will be able to remain president, but with reduced authority and this ridicule hanging over him." French Socialist deputy Jack Lang, reflecting France's strong distaste for meddling in people's private lives, volunteered to organise free-thinking artists, intellectuals and politicians into an international support movement for Clinton. Felings and desires are no one's business but one's own," Lang said in a statement. "Oppressive regimes never hesitate to dive into one's private life." But Italy's right-leaning Il Giornale, accusing the U.S. president of regularly twisting the truth, had some advice for his wife: "Dear Hillary, when the stock markets are shut, you ought to pack your bags." From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:58:12 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Internet in Universities Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980816205812.00888890@mail.eden.com> The march of Internet along with local area network is progressing by leaps and bounds. Here is some interesting news. In some universities, they are making it a requirement that every student get a notebook computer. Every chair in every class room has a Ethernet and power outlets so that computer can be plugged into local area network. In many of the dining rooms, there are Ethernet jacks. For those who are in a place where it is not practical to have jack, wireless Ethernet option is there. Just go to the library (round the clock) and check out a wireless PCMCIA card and your notebook can communicate wireless with Ethernet and from it on to Internet. Who can tell what is going to happen in the years to come. One thing is sure -- everyone better keep up with what technology is doing -- this includes all organizations -- or will be left behind and run over. More updates as they become available. mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:06:34 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980816210634.008822c0@mail.eden.com> Don't you all know it is a big day in Washington DC tomorrow? Everyone is expecting to learn about all the salacious details from Clinton who is going to tell the truth in all its graphic details so that all families with children will turn off TV and don't even open up the newspapers. Every network is running all day long pre-17th programs and tomorrow some of the networks have dedicated all night for covering Clinton testimony and which will be analyzed top to bottom and by all experts. mkr At 09:00 PM 8/16/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Where have all the people gone? > >Is everyone on vacation? > >Have we done something wrong? > >Is God interfering? > >Has Doss fallen asleep? Chuck become stuck in a helmet? > >Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle > >Alan >--------- >THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: >http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ >E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk > From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:12:54 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Celibacy/Sex Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980816211254.008b8c10@mail.eden.com> There is a lot of msg traffic on theos-talk on the topic. While everyone is focused on the spiritual and other related aspects, I think Clinton matter explains it. All the trouble (and expense) incurred by so many people could have been avoided if Clinton has read up on Celibacy and Sex. When the Krishnamurti and Rosalind matter was brought up, he called all the Trustees and he discussed it with them. How I wish K was alive today. He could have given very sane advise to Clinton. mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:38:13 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: <61db61f9.35d79798@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-16 20:58:11 EDT, you write: > Chuck become stuck in a helmet? > > No, but he has been wondering the same thing. Did everyone just sort of disappear onto other lists? Chuck the Heretic From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:13:15 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: e-mail by phone -- free Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980817041315.00889a10@mail.eden.com> In these days even spirituality is for sale (?), here is the e-mail by phone which is free. Not believable. Read further. Those grey haired oldtimers who detest e-mail and are deeply in love with old fashioned snailmail may have to change soon if they want to keep up with what is going on. mkr ======================================= E-Mail by Phone? Cool! NewsBytes 14-AUG-98 By Bob Woods GLENCOE, ILLINOIS, U.S.A., 1998 AUG 14 (Newsbytes) -- No matter how easy e-mail services claim to be, they always need a computer that's usually tethered to the phone system. A new service out of the suburbs of Chicago, though, promises to take the PC out of e-mail retrieval. Glencoe, Ill.-based Planetary Motion said its CoolMail product lets people who receive e-mail messages from Post Office Protocol (POP)-3 e-mail boxes listen to their messages over the phone. CoolMail users receive their own e-mail mail address, ending in "@planetarymotion.net." A member can respond to the e-mail by using any of four predefined replies that they create at Planetary Motion's Web site. Members can also send audio replies to any other CoolMail user, who can then also reply via a voice message. What's more, CoolMail delivers its basic services for free. CoolMail's automated attendant "reads" messages to users via state-of- the-art voice technology that converts text to speech. Target markets for the new service include the traveling sales and business executive, although "we quickly found that almost everyone on the go would benefit from this service," said Michael O'Roark, Planetary Motion president. Planetary Motion makes its money from advertising, similar to radio or TV ads, and additional services. For the ads, Planetary Motion asks potential users for "simple" demographic data during the sign-up procedure, and the company guarantees it will never divulge specific information about its members. Additional fee-based services include long distance access to the network at $0.10 a minute; responding to non-CoolMail members by voice and having the CoolMail system transcribe the message, at $0.02 per spoken word, and sending audio replies to non-CoolMail members, for $0.10 per reply. CoolMail debuted in 13 major markets Friday: New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Washington, DC, Dallas, Atlanta, Seattle, Miami, Denver, Milwaukee, Boston and Toronto. Planetary Motion said it plans to take its service nationwide by the end of 1998. CoolMail's and Planetary Motion's Web site is located at www.planetarymotion.com . Reported By Newsbytes News Network: http://www.newsbytes.com . From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:24:32 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980817042432.012b62a0@mail.eden.com> At 08:57 PM 8/16/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Where have all the people gone? > >Is everyone on vacation? > >Have we done something wrong? > >Is God interfering? > >Has Doss fallen asleep? Chuck become stuck in a helmet? > >Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle > >Alan >--------- >THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: >http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ >E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk > Patience, please.......... Activity will resume soon. mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:07:13 -0700 From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1607 Message-ID: <003401bdc9d0$e9076b40$03e78ccc@nwc.net> August 17th 1998 Dear Alan: I wonder if you no longer receive theos-talk ? As far as I am concerned I am back on line with both the computer and my body fixed up again. I was ill with pneumonia and the computer crashed twice. How are you ? Best wishes, Dallas >Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:23:50 +0100 >From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" >Subject: Hello? > >Where have all the people gone? > >Is everyone on vacation? > >Have we done something wrong? > >Is God interfering? > >Has Doss fallen asleep? Chuck become stuck in a helmet? > >Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle > >Alan >--------- >THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: >http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ >E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:48:19 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: <1288d6eb.35d86ce4@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-16 22:35:51 EDT, you write: >Don't you all know it is a big day in Washington DC tomorrow? > >Everyone is expecting to learn about all the salacious details from Clinton >who is going to tell the truth in all its graphic details so that all >families with children will turn off TV and don't even open up the >newspapers. > > And the rest of us are just drooling with anticipation. Actually, considering Bill's age and work load, if the stories are true he is an inspiration to all of us in middle age who want to lust with more than just our hearts. Chuck the Heretic From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:50:27 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Celibacy/Sex Message-ID: <50746de8.35d86d64@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-16 22:35:51 EDT, you write: >All the trouble (and expense) incurred by so many people could have been >avoided if Clinton has read up on Celibacy and Sex. > > Actually, all he had to do was quote the governor of Louisiana who said "The only sex scandal that could hurt me would be if I were found in bed with a dead woman or a live boy." The problem came with the denials. If he had said, "Sure, what's the big deal?" everyone would have had a good laugh and then forgot it. Chuck the Heretic From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:06:00 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980817130600.0177b320@mail.eden.com> At 01:56 PM 8/17/1998 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-08-16 22:35:51 EDT, you write: > >>Don't you all know it is a big day in Washington DC tomorrow? >> >>Everyone is expecting to learn about all the salacious details from Clinton >>who is going to tell the truth in all its graphic details so that all >>families with children will turn off TV and don't even open up the >>newspapers. >> >> > >And the rest of us are just drooling with anticipation. > >Actually, considering Bill's age and work load, if the stories are true he is >an inspiration to all of us in middle age who want to lust with more than just >our hearts. > >Chuck the Heretic I agree with you. >From a practical point of view, the public may have a double standard. Did anyone in their right mind expect Bill to have introduced Monica as his mistress? Considering the real general standards of the society, no wonder his continues to have high approval rating. Bill's ability is amazing. He used to call his mother every sunday after noon in spite of all his workload and other activities. mkr From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:12:38 EDT From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: <641a2b2f.35d8b8e7@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-17 14:15:59 EDT, you write: >>From a practical point of view, the public may have a double standard. Did >anyone in their right mind expect Bill to have introduced Monica as his >mistress? Considering the real general standards of the society, no wonder >his continues to have high approval rating. > > Actually, Bill being the type of person he is, he might very well have and pulled it off. Chuck the Heretic From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:23:50 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: Hello? Message-ID: <$UsK9MAWg311Ewz2@nellie2.demon.co.uk> Where have all the people gone? Is everyone on vacation? Have we done something wrong? Is God interfering? Has Doss fallen asleep? Chuck become stuck in a helmet? Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle Thumbtwiddle Alan --------- THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:49:22 +0100 From: Mittelberger Martina Subject: AW: THEOS-L digest 1605 Message-ID: <53867E964149D1118FAC0004ACEE5A111113E9@AVLRNT08> I think that the most importing thing is to be unselfish, to agree to do something for others even if it causes handicaps for oneself. And this is much more difficult than to eat no meat. I am a vegetarian, but it is easy, because I do not like meat. But I know many vegetarians, who are sooo proud of it and they think to be the better humans. They forget, that even Hitler was a vegetarian. If one of the masters find us useful, they will let us know. Till then, we should learn and practice in our daily life. PS: You cannot compare meat-eating at the time of HPB and nowadays. There were no such cruel meat-farms and circumstances under which the animal suffer today. I am sure, that it is okay to eat meat sometimes, but only from animals which had a "good" and proper life.Otherwise we support the meat-industry whith all the worse consequences to animals, environment and health. Martina Mittelberger E.Mail: martina.mittelberger@vlr.gv.at > ---------- > Von: theos-l@vnet.net[SMTP:theos-l@vnet.net] > Antwort an: theos-l@vnet.net > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. August 1998 07:00 > An: Multiple recipients of list > Betreff: THEOS-L digest 1605 > > THEOS-L Digest 1605 > > Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Apporaching Adepts > by M K Ramadoss > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:09:51 -0500 > From: M K Ramadoss > To: ti-l@vnet.net, theos-l@vnet.net, theos-talk@vnet.net > Subject: Apporaching Adepts > Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980811180951.00887930@mail.eden.com> > > Approaching Adepts > > We have seen some traffic on the question of how to approach Adepts > with a > view that they may consider one for a chelaship which may ultimately > lead > Adeptship and beyond. > > Consider the case of Olcott. Before he came into touch with HPB, while > a > man of very high integrity and talents, he was a man of bars, > nightclubs > and women. He was a smoker and meat eater. > > In the traditional model of a candidate for attention of an Adept, he > will > be the most unfit person. On the other hand, the Brothers who launched > TS > found him to be their best choice. > > In one of the letters to APS, one of the Brothers clearly stated that > while > Olcott was far from perfect he was the best man available for the job. > BTW, > in one of the letters to APS one of the Brothers did mention that if > there > were 10s of thousands of people leading a very pure life but they did > not > chose them due to their wrong beliefs which are more difficult to deal > with > rather than some of the purely physical habits like smoking and meat > eating > etc. > > During his life time, Olcott was blessed with personally meeting > several > Brothers. It should also be noted that when he and HPB lived in Adyar > he > ate meat and also enjoyed smoking his cigar. > In a similar manner, HPB also was a meat eater and smoker. Nor did she > fit > into the "cultured" model of the day. She swore and used language not > fit > for "cultured" society. I do not think that she sought and found the > Brothers. One of the Brothers always kept a watchful eye on her from > the > day she was born. > > So when we talk of looking for Adepts by leading a model life - non > smoking, non-meat eating, celibacy, non use of fur etc. while all of > that > may be good for health of the physical body, I am wondering if lot > more is > needed in one's quest for looking for an Adept. Like Willie Nelson's > song - > "Looking for love in all the wrong places", may be it is time to > re-examine > the whole question and ask ourselves if we are Looking for the Adept > in all > the wrong places... > > Perhaps when a Brother knows that we can get a job done in the > interests of > Humanity, there may no need to look for a Brother. Brothers will come > knocking. > > mkr.../\... From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:54:36 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: Simply Occult Message-ID: SIMPLY OCCULT (1) In these short articles I hope to put into plain English the elements involved for individual development on the spiritual path. Although coming from a Kabbalist perspective, serious students who wish to do so will be able to make comparitive studies with other theosophical approaches and be able to confirm that there is a direct relationship between them. Two things I wish to make clear (please note for future reference, and if appropriate, your own work): 1. I give the Teaching as I have received it. Do not believe a word I say - check it out for yourself from your own experience. Teaching is NOT experience, only a series of signposts. 2. Following the Rosicrucian tradition, everything I offer in these articles is given freely and placed in the public domain. Should anyone alter or adapt my writings, then I ask them to state that they have done so, indicating where, how, and why. Introductory Remarks Individual development is just that - development. We all develop in ways suitable to our needs and natures. This has nothing to do with "evolution" or "progress," and no one is superior or more "advanced" than anyone else. Some of us may know a little more than others, but that does not make us in any way superior than others, nor does it entitle us to tell others what to do or how to do it. There is no hierarchy in the universe in the sense that any intelligence "rules" over the life or lives of any other intelligence, other than artificial constructs of such a kind developed by human beings for personal advantage, often under the guise of "humanitarian" concerns. Everything simply IS - what we do with it is our own responsibility. The important thing here is that responsibility inevitably brings consequences, some good, some bad. It helps to discover the difference, often as a result of painful experience. The Structure of the Individual Human Being Each of us has a fourfold structure; ie., in this physical world we are composed of four "elements" or states of being. None of these is "better" or "worse" than any other, except subjectively. They are simply different, with different attributes. These four may be described as follows: 1. The Physical State, as in arms, legs, livers, etc. This includes a physicality with which science has problems, and which is sometimes described as the "etheric" or "subtle" body. 2. The Non-Physical State, often badly labelled as "astral" or "soul" state. It does not require a physical body. 3. The Individual State, or "higher self" or "true soul." It too does not require a physical body, nor does it require the Non-Physical State as described in "2" above. 4. The Spiritual State, or Essence. it requires none of the other three, and is our true and original State of Being. Where We Are Where we are is here, now, in a physical world in a physical body. This body contains ALL four of the above elements at one and the same time. If we lose any one of them we become either insane or dead - with the exception of the Physical State. If we lose that, we become just dead. We are not, however, thereby destroyed, as we continue to BE in the remaining three States. We can never, though, lose the Spiritual State. What we call development is simply a transition - in awareness and/or consciousness - from one State to another. We do not need to go anywhere to do this, for all four States are right here, wherever we are, right now. In "Simply Occult (2)" I shall try to explain how to start out on the spiritual path. For those who want the jargon, go to the website listed (http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk) and download my "Keys to Kabbalah." For those who have already started, please be patient. I'll get to the exciting bits in due course. Initially, I am placing this first article on the mailing lists TI-L, THEOS-L and the website already mentioned, where I shall make a DIRECTORY link to a folder labelled Simply Occult. After this I shall post *only* to TI-L and the website, to avoid the irritating consequence of getting the same posting from more than one source. I suggest therefore that theos-l susbscribers who have not yet done so take out a subscription to TI-L by sending an e-mail to listproc@vnet.net with no subject header and the single line subscribe ti-l Alan Bain, 13th August, 1998. --------- THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:09:51 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Apporaching Adepts Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980811180951.00887930@mail.eden.com> Approaching Adepts We have seen some traffic on the question of how to approach Adepts with a view that they may consider one for a chelaship which may ultimately lead Adeptship and beyond. Consider the case of Olcott. Before he came into touch with HPB, while a man of very high integrity and talents, he was a man of bars, nightclubs and women. He was a smoker and meat eater. In the traditional model of a candidate for attention of an Adept, he will be the most unfit person. On the other hand, the Brothers who launched TS found him to be their best choice. In one of the letters to APS, one of the Brothers clearly stated that while Olcott was far from perfect he was the best man available for the job. BTW, in one of the letters to APS one of the Brothers did mention that if there were 10s of thousands of people leading a very pure life but they did not chose them due to their wrong beliefs which are more difficult to deal with rather than some of the purely physical habits like smoking and meat eating etc. During his life time, Olcott was blessed with personally meeting several Brothers. It should also be noted that when he and HPB lived in Adyar he ate meat and also enjoyed smoking his cigar. In a similar manner, HPB also was a meat eater and smoker. Nor did she fit into the "cultured" model of the day. She swore and used language not fit for "cultured" society. I do not think that she sought and found the Brothers. One of the Brothers always kept a watchful eye on her from the day she was born. So when we talk of looking for Adepts by leading a model life – non smoking, non-meat eating, celibacy, non use of fur etc. while all of that may be good for health of the physical body, I am wondering if lot more is needed in one's quest for looking for an Adept. Like Willie Nelson's song – "Looking for love in all the wrong places", may be it is time to re-examine the whole question and ask ourselves if we are Looking for the Adept in all the wrong places... Perhaps when a Brother knows that we can get a job done in the interests of Humanity, there may no need to look for a Brother. Brothers will come knocking. mkr.../\... From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:45:51 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Even Pope get on Internet Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980810234551.00887e00@mail.eden.com> Here is a newsreport. Looks like everyone is trying to use Internet. Looks like a lot of organizations are yet to wake up to Internet before too late. mkr ================================================== VATICAN CITY (Reuters) -- Pope John Paul will take his message to millions of cyberspace Catholics from next week when Internet users around the globe will hear his teachings live via their computers, the Vatican said on Monday. The world's one billion Roman Catholics will be able to hear and see the Pontiff recite his Angelus prayer on Sundays, conduct his general audience on Wednesdays and follow other ceremonies in the Vatican as well as the Pope's travels abroad. "This is a further sign of the Holy See's efforts to boost its presence in the world of modern social communication to favour the spread and knowledge of the Papal Magisterium and strengthen the bonds of ecclesiastical communion," it said in a statement. From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 17:29:50 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Universal e-mail plan Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980808172950.011c3270@mail.eden.com> Whether one recognizes or not, Internet is revolutionizing the field of communication. In a recent report in Computerworld, US is planning to provide a e-mail addresses for all Americans. This is similar to a proposal made in U.K some time ago. We can look for very unusal opportunities for communicating with everyone in the world in the future. Upsides: Instant communication with large numbers of people around the world. Extremely low cost of communication. Increase in the volume of communication. Increase in the velocity of communication. Unfiltered/uncensored instant communication. Ability to present Theosophy to a large number of people at very little cost. Instant distribution of information about the happenings in one part of the world to all parts of the world. Breaking the strangle hold on the communication by established organizations. Leveling of the field between the haves and have-nots. An individual can have the same communication power as a multimillion dollar organization. Leveling of the field for people with a variety of backgrounds and beliefs and opinions. Leveling of the field without any discrimination of caste, creed, sex, color or national origin. Interested individuals have immediate access to information at no or very little cost. No admission or donation needed to access information. And more........... Downsides: Organization which have thrived on controlling the channel of communication between it and its members, clients, customers will lost the control. Organizations which have thrived on censoring and editing of the distributed messages, will no longer be able to do it. Organizations with large budgets have to compete with poor-man/woman who are fired with enthusiasm for cause. Organizations find it difficult to silence its critics. For some organizations, the very purpose of their existence will evaporate. Individuals may have to face messages not to their personal liking. International organizations no longer will be able to limit the knowledge of the happenings in one country from getting broadcast to all other countries. Need to read messages not to our personal liking due to their contents or the vocabulary. And more........... Look for exciting developments inthe near future, mkr =============================================== Clinton backs universal e-mail plan August 7, 1998 Web posted at: 10:50 AM EDT by Tom Diederich (IDG) -- The Clinton administration wants all Americans to have an e-mail address to go along with their street address and is asking the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the project's backbone. The idea is to connect physical and electronic addresses using the nation's Internet "country code" -- the top-level ".us" domain. Then a company or government agency, for example, could send bills or bulletins to your electronic mailbox as well as your home. The administration said the move would "accelerate and universalize the growth of electronic commerce," according to the Postal Service. Every country has a top-level domain. In many countries, such as Japan, companies and other organizations incorporate their nation's top-level domain into their Web site addresses. .. The administration is looking ahead to the day when most Americans have access to the Internet or at least e-mail from their homes. "Everybody would have an e-mail address, and for those who cannot access it right now, it would be downloaded and sent to them through the mail" so that they could use it at a library or other facility with Internet access, Brennan said. From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:55:23 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Security Alert Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980807145523.00885560@mail.eden.com> Here is an announcement from Qualcomm, the company that has developed Eudora e-mail program. You may have read recently that there is potential for unauthorized programs to be run on your system through the use of hostile Java scripts and/or applets. This problem affects users of the Windows versions of Eudora Pro Email 4.0 and 4.0.1, as well as Eudora Pro CommCenter 4.0 and 4.0.1. Note that Eudora Light users, users of previous versions of Eudora Pro, and Macintosh users are not susceptible to these Java attacks. QUALCOMM became aware of this problem yesterday (8/6/98) and will be offering an updater for Windows Eudora Pro and CommCenter 4.0.1 and 4.0 within the next few hours that addresses these issues and will prevent these types of attacks. QUALCOMM will also make available a new Eudora Pro 4.1 beta that contains these fixes by Friday afternoon Pacific Standard Time. Until the new software is posted, you can protect yourself by turning off the Microsoft viewer from within Eudora. To do this, follow these steps: 1.In Eudora, go to the Tools menu and choose "Options". 2.On the left hand side of the options window, select "Viewing Mail" 3.On the right hand side of the options window, make sure the box next to "Use Microsoft's viewer" is UNCHECKED. 4.Click on "OK" on the bottom of the window. Eudora Pro Email, Eudora Pro CommCenter and Eudora Light are not susceptible to buffer overflow security problem QUALCOMM rigorously tested its line of Eudora email software after becoming aware of the buffer overflow security problems recently found in Microsoft and Netscape email programs. QUALCOMM is pleased to announce that its Eudora email products are not susceptible to the types of attacks that can harm the computers of users of these other products. QUALCOMM tested Eudora Pro and Eudora CommCenter versions 4.0, as well as Eudora Pro and Eudora Light versions 3.0 on both the Windows and Macintosh platforms. In all cases, Eudora does not allow any unauthorized programs to be automatically executed on a user's system. From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:51:36 -0700 From: Eldon B Tucker Subject: August Issue of THE HIGH COUNTRY THEOSOPHIST Message-ID: <199808051950.OAA03317@proteus.imagiware.com> I'm posting this announcement for Dick Slusser, Editor of THE HIGH COUNTRY THEOSOPHIST. The August 1998 issue is online and available at: ftp://theosophy.com/pub/theosophy/hct/hct9808.pdf HCT files carry the extension .PDF (Portable Document File) readable with the Adobe Acrobat reader. It is available free at: http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html. The www homepage is: http://theosophy.com/hct.html -- Eldon Tucker From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:02:11 +0100 From: "Dr. A.M.Bain" Subject: Hi! Message-ID: Apologies for absence - my phone line has been down for two days. Alan --------- THEOSOPHY INTERNATIONAL: Working for a New Age: http://www.nellie2.demon.co.uk/ E-mail: TI@nellie2.demon.co.uk From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 14:47:57 -0700 From: Eldon B Tucker Subject: The August THEOSOPHY WORLD is Out Message-ID: The August issue of THEOSOPHY WORLD just came out. It's contents are: "Recent Conference on Theosophy and Modern Science" by Eldon Tucker "Violence Shadows Reverence" by Paul Johnson "Regarding Our Discussions" by John R. Crocker "Evolution" by Dallas TenBroeck "On Purifying the World About Us" by Eldon Tucker "Edmonton Theosophical Conference" by John Patrick Deveney "Online SECRET DOCTRINE Available" by Vic Hao Chin "Know Me" by Allen Moore "Preparations for the Ritual of Transcendental Magic" by Eliphas Levi "Synchronicity" by Gerald Schueler "Regarding Chaos" by Eldon Tucker "On Experience" by Nicholas Weeks "The Last Theocracy" by Mark Jaqua "Blavatsky Net News" by Reed Carson "To Onward and Upward Ethical Evolution" by Doreen Domb "The Place of Evolution in Our Lives" by Eldon Tucker THEOSOPHY WORLD is a free Internet monthly available via email (about 100,000 bytes in size). To subscribe, write to editor@theosophy.com. From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 14:07:04 -0400 From: John E Mead Subject: Buddhists in Russia Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980801180704.0069b960@mail.infoave.net> I'm forwarding this message to you in order to raise awareness of this issue. john e. mead feel free to forward this plea for help along to others. Peace circles at local lodges may be appropriate too. >Return-path: >Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:02:28 -0500 >From: Automatic digest processor >Subject: TIBET-L Digest - 29 Jul 1998 to 31 Jul 1998 >Sender: Tibet Interest List >To: Recipients of TIBET-L digests >Reply-to: Tibet Interest List > >There is one message totalling 138 lines in this issue. > >Topics of the day: > > 1. [FWD: Please, Help!] (fwd) > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:11:02 -0400 >From: CTC National Office >Subject: [FWD: Please, Help!] (fwd) > > >Forwarding this message on behalf of the Buddhistic Traditional Sangha of >Russia. =20 > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:31:38 -0500 >From: kirill >To: cantibet@tibet.ca >Subject: [FWD: Please, Help!] > > > >Buddhistic Traditional Sangha of Russia > >St.-Petersburg Buddhistic temple >Datsan "Gunzeitchoiney" > >St.-Petersburg, 91 Primorskii St. Russia >Phone/fax (007-812) 254-49-12 (Zotov L. Andrey: contact man) >E-mail: dondup-ch@usa.net dondup-ch@usa.net >WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/3528/ > >Buddhists of St.-Petersburg ask for help. > >To all buddhistic organizations, cuddhists, interested and sympathizing to >the Doctrine of Buddha, and to mass media, representatives of authority >and law-enforcement authorities, Russian and international human rights >protected organizations.=20 > >The conventual prior, talapoin community and parishioners of >St.-Petersburg Buddhistic temple "Datsan Gunzeitchoiney" ask for help and >protection.=20 > >Our temple belongs and depended to Buddhistic Traditional Sangha of Russia >- All-Russia Buddhists, assignee former "ZDUB" USSR.=20 > >In July 23 1998 at 10-30am on territory of a temple have rushed 5 persons >in militia uniform and 10 person in the civilian clothes. Not showing any >documents these people have declared that territory of a temple conventual >prior and talapoin community occupies illegally and it is used for storage >of drugs. At conventual prior of Datsan "Gunzeitchoiney" Badmaev B.B. by >force have deprive a key from the safe, and him, together with all >talapoins, living in a temple, and public, come to pray in a temple, under >threat of fire-arms (pistols and self-firer) reconduct in one of the room >of a temple and have kept there till 1pm o'clock.=20 > >From=20aggressor=F4s words has become clear, that they represent 25 branche= >s >of militia "RUVD" of Primorsky area, to what testified militia machine >with an inscription < Primorsky RUVD > and special labels on a uniform. On >the business card, left by one of the civilians appears: Concern > Romanenko Vladimir Igorevitch, assistant of the general >director on physical guards. The address: St.-Petersburg, 8 Sestrorezkaya >street. As the representative GUVD somebody has showed the certificate >Efimov.=20 > >From=2013.00 till 13.30 aggressor by brute force application and under >threat of fire-arms (pistols and self-firer) reconduct conventual prior of >Datsan =F5Gunzeitchoiney=E6, all talapoins, living in Datsan , and public, >come to pray in a temple on a street and until to the present time in a >temple did not admit.=20 > >On words of the lawyers, actions the employees of militia roughly have >broken a number of the laws of Russian Federation. By the unconfirmed >intelligence the legal and financial documents < Datsan "Gunzeitchoiney" > >were destroyed by aggressors.=20 > >Nowadays group of sectarians, not entering in one official traditional >Russian Buddhistic association, under lead Tchemitova, N. Agafonovoy, and >U. Krimpatitch, grasping premise < Datsan "Gunzeitchoiney" >, and has set >in doors of the employees of "Protection" concern, by announcing itself by >"owners" of a temple was locked in it. The talapoins and postulants of a >monastery, led by conventual prior, have remained to spend the night in >the street. They have remained only in those clothes, in which were - >monk=F4s attire, they do not have not habitation not livelihoods for >tomorrow's day. It has taken place at once after in a temple the >representative of holiness Dalai Lama gave the Doctrine, the official >mentor of our temple the Tibetan monk Lodoy Rimpotche, which arrival has >become a holiday for all buddhists of our city. All Buddhistic of a >community of cities, which are included in Traditional Sangha of Russia, >have declared the non-participation in the above-stated events and are >indignant of that the gangsters, grasping the temple, refer addressed to >esteemed by all buddhists holiness Dalai Lama. The given actions are the >vandalism act in relation to the consecrated temple, desecrate sacred for >all buddhists of the world a place, roughly trample on feelings of >believers, break a traditional rhythm daily prayer and rituals, break >educational process of the talapoins and postulants.=20 > >For past year < Datsan "Gunzeitchoiney" >, under a management of >conventual prior Badmaev B.B., has united in the walls of believers all >traditional buddhists of directions: Gelug, Ningma, Kagiu, Sakiah, >Dzogtchen, Dzen, Rimey, the traditions Theravada, recently in a temple >gave manuals under the Buddha Doctrine of the Teacher various Buddhistic >schools and directions, such, as revere Lama Eshe Lodoy Rimotche, >representative of school Sakia: lama Tchjamia Lekshe, representatives of >school Nigma lama Kempo Pema Zevang Pimpotche, lama Dzogtchen Khempo >Tchoga Rimpotche, lama Amdo, lama Gontchok Zering, representative of >tradition Theravada conventual prior of a monastery Amaravaty (England) >Adjan Virodan, representative of school Dzen Kvan Um the teacher Vu Bong, >spiritual representative of holiness Dalai Lama geshe Tchjampa Tinley, >Shaolin monastery conventual prior, Hong-Kong Dzen center abbey, revere >conventual Huan Um Sunim and many others. Weekly representatives various >Buddhistic of communities of city of St.-Petersburg. For one day did not >interrupt.=20 > >Each day of a door of a temple were opened for all. But since today >believers and the monks cannot enter a temple. In doors the employees of >concern which are not having in general any relation to >businesses Buddhistic commune. From the moment of repeated opening of a >temple in 1989 at its doors never stood of the armed guards, which did not >give a believer to bow Buddhistic halidom (temple is constructed in 1913 >also was closed in 1937, the temple was returned to a believer in 1989).=20 >Today doors of a temple were closed for everything, whether they will stay >closed forever, depends on your help. The information on a situation in a >temple preliminary also will be specified.=20 > >The Datsan "Gunzeitchoiney" contact man: Zotov L. Andrey 24.07.98 > >--------------74839EDC8F0188E2B5BA857C-- From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 14:48:28 -0700 From: Eldon B Tucker Subject: The August THEOSOPHY WORLD is Out Message-ID: The August issue of THEOSOPHY WORLD just came out. It's contents are: "Recent Conference on Theosophy and Modern Science" by Eldon Tucker "Violence Shadows Reverence" by Paul Johnson "Regarding Our Discussions" by John R. Crocker "Evolution" by Dallas TenBroeck "On Purifying the World About Us" by Eldon Tucker "Edmonton Theosophical Conference" by John Patrick Deveney "Online SECRET DOCTRINE Available" by Vic Hao Chin "Know Me" by Allen Moore "Preparations for the Ritual of Transcendental Magic" by Eliphas Levi "Synchronicity" by Gerald Schueler "Regarding Chaos" by Eldon Tucker "On Experience" by Nicholas Weeks "The Last Theocracy" by Mark Jaqua "Blavatsky Net News" by Reed Carson "To Onward and Upward Ethical Evolution" by Doreen Domb "The Place of Evolution in Our Lives" by Eldon Tucker THEOSOPHY WORLD is a free Internet monthly available via email (about 100,000 bytes in size). To subscribe, write to editor@theosophy.com. From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 14:48:17 -0700 From: Eldon B Tucker Subject: The August THEOSOPHY WORLD is Out Message-ID: The August issue of THEOSOPHY WORLD just came out. It's contents are: "Recent Conference on Theosophy and Modern Science" by Eldon Tucker "Violence Shadows Reverence" by Paul Johnson "Regarding Our Discussions" by John R. Crocker "Evolution" by Dallas TenBroeck "On Purifying the World About Us" by Eldon Tucker "Edmonton Theosophical Conference" by John Patrick Deveney "Online SECRET DOCTRINE Available" by Vic Hao Chin "Know Me" by Allen Moore "Preparations for the Ritual of Transcendental Magic" by Eliphas Levi "Synchronicity" by Gerald Schueler "Regarding Chaos" by Eldon Tucker "On Experience" by Nicholas Weeks "The Last Theocracy" by Mark Jaqua "Blavatsky Net News" by Reed Carson "To Onward and Upward Ethical Evolution" by Doreen Domb "The Place of Evolution in Our Lives" by Eldon Tucker THEOSOPHY WORLD is a free Internet monthly available via email (about 100,000 bytes in size). To subscribe, write to editor@theosophy.com. From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:25:26 EDT From: HermesTris@aol.com Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1597 Message-ID: <920444a1.35c1b7b8@aol.com> Excerpt of THEOS-L-DIGEST 1597: The bug, identified by the Secure Programming Groupat Finland's Oulu University, can be exploited by anattacker who sends you an e-mail message with anattachment that has an extra-long filename. The longname can cause Microsoft's Outlook 98 and Outlook Express mail programs, as well as Netscape's Messenger mail program, to crash from a buffer overflow. After that, your computer could be forced torun malicious code that's actually contained right in that long filename. I might draw your attention to the fact, that the same overflow occures in the webbrowser wenn you put a very long URL in the bookmarks. Often you don't see this long name in the status-bar. Those long names especially occure on sites where you are persistant invited to mark these sites. Although some of these sites mark themselves automaticly. Next time you try to validate your bookmarks or try to reach that site by clicking on your mark, the browser will have a crash down, but the internet-connection stays on. When you do allow Active-X or JAVA somebody can work around on your PC during that time and you would'nt notice. As by the e-mail-bug its impossible to check out before, because whenever you activate the file with the long name you activate the code. The only remedy is to check your bookmarks and to clean them. There seems to be no way for a patch-up. "Bits and Bytes Crash" from Johannes. From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:19:49 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Update on Theosophy Resources on Internet Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980731081949.013b2b80@mail.eden.com> >Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:26:59 -0400 (EDT) >Reply-To: HermesTris@aol.com >Originator: theos-news@vnet.net >Sender: theos-news@vnet.net >From: HermesTris@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: THEOS-NEWS digest 165 >X-Comment: Theosophical News/Events Announcements. (public) > >Hallo all of you, > >thanks for this URL-List, even if it is far from complete. I would draw your >attention especially to our Homepage, wich is as far as I know the only >"ADYAR" site in Germany. >Although that site is marked in a lot of searchin-maschines and crawlers you >will have noticed NETSCAPE doesn't find everything. Just be aware, that >"theosophy" in a lot of other languages is spelled "theosophie", so if anybody >wants to surch all around the world he has to search for both. > >Our URL = >http://members.aol.com/HermesTris > >May the Light of Wisdom shin upon you. >Johannes > From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:53:33 -0500 From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: THEOS-SPAN digest 73 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980731095333.01731100@mail.eden.com> Sure we should add them. I will post this msg to all the maillists I have posted the msg earlier. mkr At 10:28 AM 7/31/1998 -0400, you wrote: >How about these? > >Theosophical Library Online >http://theosophy.org/index.htm > >Theosophy Northwest >http://www.halcyon.com/theosnw/ > >Theosophy Corner >http://www.za.spiritweb.org/Spirit/Theosophy/Overview.html > >Blavatsky Study Center >http://www.azstarnet.com/~blafoun/ > >Theosophical Literature >http://www.whidbey.com/TheosophicalLiterature > >Theosophical Society (Rudolpho) >http://www.garlic.com/~rdon/TS.html > >Namaste >Sutratman > From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:03:15 -0700 From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins Subject: Re: Annual Meeting Message-ID: <35C1F8D2.9B2A438B@netfeed.com> One can also sign up with act-l using a pseudonym or anonymously. Write to John Mead for procedures: jmead@infoave.net jhe From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:12:17 From: ESTELA LUNA Subject: lot of work Message-ID: <19980801011217.4894.qmail@www08.netaddress.usa.net> Hi gang I have been REAL BUSY, in my school things this season, so i guess, i will resign from the theos-talk lists. is just TOO much for me to read, and i do not have time to do it. i am reading my mail-list letters about once a week (at most) and I am still having problems with the netaddress e-mail, that refuses me to send letters by netscape or eudora because (I believe it's only a matter of misspelling) does not accept me my SMTP address that i give it : "mail.netaddress.com". at first i believe it was a problem of the comunicator, since i only used netscape navigator before, but now i'm suspecting that must be something else. i can recieve my mail by netscape, though. Dear Eldon, is not a matter of discriminating your list (I LIKE your list) but is just TOO LONG for me to read it. i also will resign for other lists that i have suscription. I was also going to resign from theos-lists,but after i read something about Alan's problem, i said to me: "Well, i cannot resign from the little theos-club treehouse"!!! Is a wonderful place, where i have meet you wonderful pepole, and i think i have to be in contact. Well, i guess that's all for today. sorry folks. Estrella P.S. I'll comeback soon!! :p ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:38:34 From: ESTELA LUNA Subject: HORRAY FOR ALAN!! (And Chuck) AND ALL!! Message-ID: <19980801013834.6724.qmail@www07.netaddress.usa.net> Gee friends, one gets too busy and see what happens?? I really hope Alan is getting well. wishing you the best, Dear Alan. YEEEAAAAAHHH!!!! HORRAY FOR ALAN !! YIP In a message dated 98-07-31 21:45:41 EDT, you write: >P.S. Thank Dear Chuck for your delightful humor and commentaries that makes >our life just simply adorable. sometimes someone is some upset, and you >manage to tell us that our problems are only nonesense. it is only the ONE >that matters, and you have a great way to telling it. Thanks but I hope that if someone is really having a SERIOUS problem that I'm not accidentally making light of it (it does happen at times and I tend to feel real bad when it does). It's the tendency to make giant buildings out of little bumps that needs to be zapped on occasion. I've found that one of the weaknesses of my theosophic brethren is the lack of critical thinking at embarrassing times (witness the labyrinth nonsense at Summer School this last week) and rather than get into longwinded disputations that take up a lot of time and accomplish nothing, I prefer to use the Gordian Knot method and just cut through the flapdoodle with a well-placed acerbity. It's sort of like one time one of the board members, who shall mercifully remain nameless, gave one of his more syrupy accounts of some event he had been at and I responded by telling him that I never ceased to be amazed at how he could say such utter bullshit with a straight face. Chuck the Heretic From ???@??? Sun Jan 00 00:00:00 0000 Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:45:31 +0100 (BST) From: alpha@dircon.co.uk Subject: Re: THEOS-L digest 1596 Message-ID: <199808010745.IAA07688@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> RE: ACT >PS: I have forwarded to Tony all the recent msgs on Annual Meeting. > mkr, thanks for these and for info on subscribing Tony