Theos-Talk Archives (March 1997 Message tl00093)

Doss wrote:

In a recent book, Mary Lutyens writes (which is very interesting to ponder):

   "And he (K) never "presented" himself as being celibate. According to the
tenets of Leadbeater-Theosophy, celibacy was essential for any aspirant to
the Path of Discipleship but K broke away entirely from Theosophy and its
tenets in 1929 and thereafter often spoke publicly "agains" celibacy. Here
are a few quotations from his published talks to prove this point:
'So-called holy men have maintained that you cannot come near God if you
indulge in sex, therefore they push it aside although they are eaten up with
it. But by denying sexuality they put out their eyes and cut out their
tongues for they deny the whole beauty of the earth. They have starved their
hearts and minds; they are dehydrated human beings; they have banished
beauty because beauty is associated with woman.' And again: 'I think we
should understand what love and chastity are. The vow of chastity is not
chatity at all, for below the words the craving goes on and trying to
suppress it in different ways, religious or otherwise, is a form of ugliness
which, it its very essence, is unchaste. The chastity of the monk, with his
vows and denials, is essentially worldliness which is unchaste. All forms of
resistance build a wall of separateness which turns life into a battlefield;
and so life becomes not chaste at all'. And yet again; 'To deny sex  is
another form of brutality; it is there, it is a fact. When we are
intellectual slaves, endlessly repeating what others have said, when we are
following, obeying, imitating, then a whole avenue of life is closed; when
action is merely a mechanical repetition and not a free movement, then there
is no release; when there is this incessant urge to fulfil, to be, then we
are emotionally thwarted, there is blockage. So sex becomes the one issue
which is our very own, which is not second-hand. And in the act of sex there
is a forgetting of oneself, one's problems and one's fears. In that act
there is no self at all.'"


MKR

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Thoa:

Thank you for posting that.  I wholeheartedly agree with that.  That says
in detail my gut feeling about the deviancy of denying a natural,
necessary, and beautiful process, which is just as bad as using it in a
degrading way.  I'd like to say more, but have been swamped lately.  Just
enough time for reading the posts and a few seconds' worth of input.